When Not Seeing Is Still Hot

As much as I love seeing the actual boob, butt, or pussy, it is interesting to admit that twice within the past week I have been somewhat turned on without actually seeing the goods. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not changing my ways and settling for these. But I'm curious to know if you guys agree or not.

The first instance took place during my lunch hour the other day. Of course, I always walk through areas where babes are sitting and eating or relaxing so that I can (hopefully) get my share of views down tops and down the back, as well as checking up skirts (in case of slim or revealing or no panties). There was a babe walking at an angle in my direction and she must have just left a cold office building or something. She had huge nipples nicely poking through her bra even though it was not a blouse that I could see through. 

Of course, this, fortunately, happens from time to time. I probably average a couple of times each week seeing some solid nipple prints and the babes either don't realize or don't care. This babe had huge nipples, and she knew they were poking through. It turned out she was waking in the angle direction she was because she was walking toward an area which had a corner ledge to sit on, definitely out of the way of any pedestrian traffic. In other words, she was walking to where guys couldn't see those nipple prints. As a result, I'm pretty sure I was the only guy, or one of very few, that got to see those poking through. I started walking much slower to watch her, but she sat down as if to use her phone and showed no sign of getting back up right away.  I couldn't walk over to where she was. It would have been too obvious, and if she caused a scene it wouldn't have been good. 

Still, those were such big nipples and she was clearly aware of what was going on, and it did turn me on almost as much as if I had seen actual boobage.

The other incident that turned me on (without actually seeing anything good) happened earlier this week as well. I was about to walk up an outdoor flight of stairs I take regularly (on the way to this particular job assignment). As usual, I was watching for a babe to walk up those stairs behind. I didn't see any wearing skirts, but did spot a hottie wearing light colored and rather tight pants. 

Of course, if I can't see panty lines before the stairs (although I did since this babe had light colored pants on), I'll certainly see them as she climbs the stairs. Especially when I can walk closely behind her and have my eyes just inches away from her behind. 

Not only could I easily see the panty lines, but I could tell that those panties were her version of "briefs". They didn't cover her entire butt. Even though I couldn't actually see any butt crack through her pants, I enjoyed watching from just inches away being able to tell that I could almost see some butt crack as she climbed the stairs and walked just ahead of me. That was sexy. 

Again, not as exciting as actually seeing some of that butt crack, but it meant more than if she had larger panties on that weren't letting anything display.

It's so great when babes wear those panties that are so low in the back, since they show butt crack when they have a short top or shirt on and sit down. But this babe was looking mighty fine.

So that's the question. Does seeing something such as nipple prints or knowing that butt crack is exposed turn you on, even if you don't actually get to see it?

Panties aren't always bad

The readers/listeners of " Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" continue to write:

Jerry B of AZ writes:

"Now I understand why you wrote about looking up skirts and shorts even when you know she has panties on. This morning I was cutting through (name withheld) Park and saw a babe laying on her back with her legs up wearing loose fitting shorts. I changed my path and walked around her to try and get a glance down between her legs, just as you suggest. She probably had no idea anyone could see down. Her panties were not covering everything, and she has a hairy bush. On one side I could see some of her (bush) hair! I stopped to enjoy the view, which then distracted her. I said something like "Sorry, but that's a good book!", and she smiled and I walked away. It proved beyond a doubt that the advice in your book is spot on. I only wish I lived near apartment buildings and could spy on the neighbor chicks too. Thanks!"


Looks like you have become a 'professional' total creep. Based on your e-mail, you handled the situation very well. Noticing her legs being up and her loose fitting shorts was a significant observation at the start.

Stopping when you realized you could see her pubes was not the best move, but I'll admit I can understand you doing so. I probably would have done the same thing. The key thing is to not show a facial reaction. That you had your comeback line about the book she was reading was excellent. It shows me that you were ready to handle the situation, as opposed to saying something stupid or letting on that you were seeing the goods.

Especially when she assumes that the worst that could happen is that you would see some of her panties.

I have wondered if that babe (and others I have seen in that situation) come to realize what happened when they either go to the bathroom or get undressed shortly thereafter and realize that their panties were not covering everything. But by then, you (or me) are long gone.

Again, nice work!

When things are looking up........

Bob of NY writes:

"I have heard a few guys talk about seeing (babes) wearing skirts with no panties underneath, and then heard your audio book where you also talk about that. Where are these (babes)? I don't mind seeing a lot of panties, but obviously would like to see some (vag) action. Where else should I be looking?"


Good question, Bob. I certainly wish there was a simple answer to that, but there isn't. This part of checking out the babes is more luck than skill. But since I'm the expert, I'll answer as best I can.

From what I have seen and heard, some babes won't wear panties under an expensive dress, or one that is very tight or showing a ton of skin. They don't want panty lines or to have panty showing easily. When this happens, it is usually in a fancy club or an expensive restaurant. Those circumstances often make it tough to get a good angle when she sits down, and many times the lighting isn't sufficient to get a clear view. Even in my experience, I can think of a couple of times when I couldn't tell if she actually had skimpy dark colorerd panties on, if there wasn't enough light, or if she had naturally dark hair, if you get my drift. Every once in a while, babes will go without underwear to be sexy for the guy they are with as if it is their little secret.

My personal best "luck" with this has been when they wear short shorts or loose fitting shorts with nothing underneath. Every time I have seen "up" and no panties has been in a hot weather situation. A couple of times they have been standing on steps and I have been able to be below and get a clear view looking right up there. I have also seen a couple of instances of sitting on a lawn with their legs up or open, thinking her shorts cover all, and they don't. So when you finally get warm weather up there in New York, start checking out some festivals or outdoor concerts, or parks, where the babes sit wearing shorts and try to get a look inside.

Do keep in mind that as panties have gotten skimpier over the past few years, I have seen a few instances of pubic hair coming out beyond the panties. However, with the increase in the number of babes who shave more in that area, that percentage has dropped of late.

Otherwise, like with you, it takes hundreds and hundreds of upskirt looks at panties to finally see one without, and that makes all of the other looks worthwhile.

Questions? I'm at ic.london at live.com. You can let me know if you wish to remain private.

The readers wonder

The readers and listeners of "Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" continue to write:

Steve C. of OH writes:

"Thanks for some great advice. You are right about how many guys can use your information. You have helped me to see some really hot babes taking off their tops. If I may ask, after all of your years of spying and observing, what is your most favorite sighting?"

Good going, Steve. (I decided to edit out your description of where you see them.) As far as a favorite, that's so hard to choose. I gave it some thought, and actually came up with a specific answer for you. It wasn't easy. It's tough to pick something ahead of being at nude beach when a group of college age babes arrive and I watched some get totally naked and others take off their tops. Then there are the babes I have watched take a shower, and others I have spied on while they freely walk around their apartments stark naked. Another one that comes to mind was a babe who lived across the courtway from me and would come home late on weekend nights. Most of the time she didn't pay attention to the angled blinds and I could watch her strip down from fully dressed to stark naked.

But to answer your question, if I really have to pick one favorite, I'd go back to a sighting back in the early 90's. One of the babes I spied on regularly would sometimes not close her bedroom blinds all the way. This was a night when I saw her light on and focused in just in time to see her laying on her bed wearing a t-shirt and panties. She was reaching and pulling her panties down but not off, and pulled her t-shirt up, although not as far as I would have liked.

For the next few minutes, she was playing with herself. Big time. I have seen just a few babes doing themselves over the years, but none like this babe. She was moving and spreading her legs and manipulating her hands as if she were conducting an orchestra. Maybe she has music playing. I don't know. But she was totally and completely into it. It's as though she was acting as both the guy and the girl and her every movement showed how much she was enjoying those few minutes.

Minutes later, she got very frantic and I could tell that she finished. Then she laid there for a moment. That was fine with me since it gave me a good look at it. She then got up and headed toward the bathroom but slowly pulled her panties back up as she was walking away. Even though I didn't get to see her boobs that night, your question helped me to recall how entertaining and wonderful it was to watch her.

Thanks for the question, Steve. Let me know if you get to see even more babes.

Skirting the issue

The questions and comments continue from readers and listeners of " Total Creep - A Guy's Guide ". You can reach me at ic.london at live.com.

Nate of Maryland writes:

"Count me among those that totally love your insight. You are so right about getting the best angle and how much good views there are during the average day. I like the stories you tell of your actual experiences. How did you decide which ones to use? Do you have a favorite? How do you remember all that?"

Thanks, Nate. Glad you enjoyed it so much. This book was a labor of love, and that is part of how I remember so much. When doing something you love (or are earning a living doing), you do tend to remember what brings in important decisions.

For example, I used the story of going out on my patio in the dark to be able to see a neighbor babe come out of the shower. She wouldn't have thought I would be out there. Of course I'm going to remember that for future patios, if you get my drift. It was when I got to the point of having so many experiences like that which helped me to see so many babes partially or completely naked.

As for a favorite, it is difficult to pick one. But as it relates to writing and compiling the book, there is one moment that stands above. It was during the week I was working on the chapter about seeing up skirts and shorts. I had my notes and stories but was just starting the process of organizing and editing them. I had made a few notes on that Monday night. The following day (Tuesday) I was having lunch in a small restaurant. As usual, when sitting down to eat I would try to find a babe offering a good view to enjoy. The "best" I could do was sit across the aisle a couple of booths down from a well built babe wearing a tight skirt.

That became the ultimate "practice what I preach" story, and with such incredible timing. Although her legs were crossed and facing inside (of the booth), I knew to have my view be looking straight on up her legs when she would get up from her table. However (or so I thought) she did not have a revealing top and bra lines were easily visible. Just as I had written the night before, being ready for seeing panties keeps the skills sharp. No other babes were around for me to "watch" while eating. So, as always, I appeared to be reading the newspaper but was really watching for her to finish eating, as well as in case any other babes were coming by or sitting down near me.

Minutes later, she was finishing her meal so I focused on her legs. She uncrossed them, and spread them for a moment while she was getting up from the table. Sure enough, no panties!! I saw it and the pubes that surrounded. She got up and walked out going right past me as if nothing had happened. She didn't have a clue that I or anybody saw.

That was exactly the reason for most of the chapter I was working on, and if you recall, this story is in the book. It shows how the hundreds, if not thousands, of panties shots and the preparation to get them had me in position to get this view. The one that makes the rest worthwhile. As I'm sure you can relate to, any "total creep" is going to remember that and how it happened for a long time. Just doing my part.

Missed it by a hair..............

As much as I enjoy long hair on a babe, there are those rare occasions when it becomes a disadvantage for a total creep. Like today during my lunch hour. There I was walking through an outdoor plaza on a hot summer day when I spotted a hottie sitting at a table and leaning forward to take a bite of lunch. Her top was very loose and from a few feet away walking toward her I was pretty sure I would see all the way down past whatever she had on (or didn’t have on) underneath.

However (and this is one of the few times I use long hair and “however” in the same sentence), her long hair was also leaning forward with her. Worse yet, it was thick long hair. I got along side and I couldn’t see a thing. Even a minute later when I just happened to be walking back past her from behind on the other side of her. And a minute later when I walked back by her again just as she leaned forward. Couldn’t see a thing.

My best consolation is that when I turned to look from behind I saw the outline of her bra across her back, so at least I wasn’t shut out of a total boob view. Of course, I don’t know if it was a low cut or loose fitting bra which could have yielded a lot of boob had I been able to see down. At least I would have had the best possible angle and my timing was good, but there are some things that can’t be helped.

This was not my only bad break in the past few days. (I have received a couple of e-mails from readers and listeners of “ Total Creep – A Guy’s Guide “ asking me to blog about my “failures” and how I deal with them, and thought it was a good idea.) On Friday at lunch, I was walking through a different plaza and from behind noticed a babe sitting at the top of a stairway wearing what looked to be a somewhat loose top. It was tucked in to her pants very well, so not even an opportunity to see butt crack, so I knew my only opportunity would be over the shoulder down her top when I passed by.

Unfortunately, she was defending a total creep even while sitting on a stairway. Not only was the butt protected (even from panties showing), but just before I was to walk past her she put her hand up and clutched her top tightly. She either heard or felt (sitting on the ground atop the stairway) someone coming near. I don’t think she could have known if it were a guy or a woman, but she had the instinct to cover up. So I didn’t get to see a thing. As tempted as I was to turn back and ask her if her man had read my book and given her tips about this, I kept walking.

For the thousands of tops I have seen into and down, along with seeing up and down skirts, jeans, and shorts, even an expert like me is not always successful. It is like the long-time baseball analogy that even a .300 hitter (among the best) does not get a hit 7 out of 10 times. Same for the daily attempts of a total creep like me.

As I have said countless times, the hundreds of times that all I see is “nothing”, bra, or panties are made worthwhile those instances when I see significant flesh while walking out and about. Same with spying on babes with binoculars. The hours spent some nights waiting for clothes to come off that I don’t get to see or seeing a guy naked but not his wife become secondary when compared to the hours of watching babes come out of the shower, walking around exposed, and all of the rest.

Meanwhile, I am happy to answer questions and comments from readers and listeners of my book via ic.london at live.com.

Leading the cheers

Don B. of Tampa writes:

"I enjoyed listening to your Audio Book (" Total Creep - A Guy's Guide "). The guy (Ken Collier) does a great job of interpreting rather than just reading. But one question for you. I enjoy local high school and college games and since hearing your book I have been paying more attention to the cheerleaders. I don't recall you mentioning anything about cheerleaders in your book. Have you had any luck seeing anything good?"

Good question, Don. I like the way you think. You would think that the skimpy cheerleader outfits would enable something to show that isn't supposed to once or twice a game and that if you pay close enough attention you would see the benefits of that. But, like many things in real life, it doesn't seem to work that way.

Cheerleader uniforms, especially for high school and college teams, are tight fitting for a reason. They can't have anything show that isn't supposed to, and it appears that every precaution is taken. In addition, the outfits are made to cover and protect the bra and panties. Or, if anything "shows", it might be underwear at most.

For football, and sometimes for basketball games, many cheerleaders also wear pantyhose with additional protection around the crotch area, adding an extra layer of covering along with the outfit and the panties.

Personally, I enjoy sports events too, and I have had the chance to sit near the basketball court and football field for games. And I will admit that, of course, I have chosen to sit near the cheerleaders when possible at school games. (With pro games, it is often cost prohibitive to sit that close, but I have splurged a couple of times.)

I have yet to see anything I shouldn't, even with girls doing pyramids and being held up high and having a view all the way up the legs, other than slight panties, and even that is rare. The outfits seem to always be made to allow room underneath to cover the panties.

There was a photo on the internet a couple of years ago of an NFL cheerleader who didn't wear panties under her cheerleader costume. The photo showed her doing a high leg kick and you could see some pubic hair showing on one side. Three cheers to that photographer, but I have to think that additional measures were taken after that photo got out to prevent anything like that from happening.

Your best bet at school games is not to sit in the first row or two. You could still sit low and close enough to check out the cheerleaders, but having even some of the crowd in front of you gives you the chance to see over a shoulder down a top and/or down the lower back of babes in front of you.

Readers and listeners to "Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" are invited to e-mail me with questions and comments at ic.london at live.com.

The land down under...........

The readers continue to write me at ic.london at live.com:

Jesse of Ohio writes:

"I don't get all of the time you spend talking about seeing panties. It is no big deal."

While I appreciate the comment, Jessie, I don't feel that I did. Panties are only part of the big picture. I explain about the importance of knowing what type of panties she has on. Whether she has "regular" or thong panties, or none at all, has an impact on what would be your best angle when she sits down, squats, or bends over. In addition, there is the practice of having the best angle up a skirt or shorts or down her jeans. Sometimes panties don't cover everything. Sometimes she won't be wearing panties and you will have the best possible angle and view.

I also discuss ways to get to know the panties habits of babes you see on a regular basis. It can help for positioning when you already know what to expect.

To me, it is like in football practice when players on offense do drills to tackle an opponent after a fumble recovery or interception. You don't want for that to occur, but at some point it will, and you want to be ready for it.

My point, with all due respect, is that it is not about seeing panties. It is about what you do and did to see them.

More readers write.............

Again, during and after your listen to or read "Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" you are most welcome to e-mail your questions and comments to ic.london at live.com. I hope you are all enjoying this as much as I am!

Jerry of CT writes:

"I enjoyed listening to most of the book. I didn't think anyone could spend more than 4 hours talking about girl watching, but here it is. One question. I am not sure why you spent time about how to tell about her bra and panties. Wouldn't guys already know that from an early age?"

Thanks, Jerry. It took closer to 5 hours for this book, and since it looks as though I could have added another chapter or two. The bra and panties question may seem obvious, but there is good reason for reviewing that. Many times a "total creep" has to make a split-second decision about where to look if a babe is about to squat, lean over, sit up, etc. If he knows ahead of time that she is wearing a "thick" bra, he knows the chances are not good of seeing much if he gets a look down her top. In that case, he is better trying to see down her back for thong or butt crack action, and needs to angle his walk and look accordingly.

Guys who don't have this book probably wouldn't be on guard to do that, and could miss out on a golden opportunity. Whether she has a thong or regular panties on also makes a difference if she is bending over. That is why I review this, so that you have the ways to anticipate.

Right place, right time

A "Total Creep" delight this past Saturday night, even though I wasn't there. Wish I could have been. One of my reliable creep friends shared this with me. It is a good lesson for us creeps to pay attention when at a bar or club with a stairway.

He was with a couple of guys in a club located in the Orlando FLA area. (I won't give the name, since I wasn't there and since this was definitely not anything the club caused or could have prevented.) This club has a stairway up to the restrooms and coat room, with a larger than usual landing a few feet up. (I may have been there when I last visited Orlando, as I could picture this as Danny was telling me, but that's not important now.) People in the club dancing near this stairway can easily see up a few feet to this landing. Us creeps have been known to hang underneath as if talking and hope for babes wearing skirts to walk up slowly.

But on Saturday night, this one may have been the all-time experience.

Some hottie was with a guy, but wearing a loose skirt above her knees. It seems that after a few dances and drinks, her and the guy seemed to then be having a disagreement on the dance floor. Then the babe got more animated and appeared to be getting more upset.

She left the dance floor and started walking up that stairway, giving my friends a nice view of her panties as she got near the landing. Then the guy followed her up the stairs and caught up to her and they stood on the landing, near the outside rail. They both got rather animated.

Incredibly, something got the babe even more upset. A couple of other guys were watching and casually came over and stood with my friends since they could all see up her skirt quite easily.
After about one minute or so, the babe got a very angry look on her face, lifted up her skirt, and proceeded to pull her panties down. She leaned over lifted one leg, then the other, and pulled her panties off!

She then took her panties and threw them right into the face of the stunned guy, and proceeded to angrily walk back down the stairs, across the dance floor, and toward the entrance/exit to the club. The guys think she left the club.

The guy may have put the panties in his jacket pocket.

But my friends didn't care about the guy or the fight. They were looking up from below when the babe pulled her panties down and then leaned over to get them off over each shoe. They saw all there was to see.

On one hand, this was a lucky and miraculous break for Danny and his buddies. On the other hand, their practicing what I preach made it possible. If they hadn't been standing by those stairs waiting to watch the skirts go up them, they probably wouldn't have been in position to see all they saw. So this is a combination of luck and skill, in my expert opinion.

It is situations like this that made me glad I finally took their advice and wrote the book on how to make this happen for guys of all ages. Great story, guys!