He lowered the bar to see her

The readers and listeners to "Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" continue to keep the comments and questions coming:

Armando of FL writes:
"You give the best advice. After your book I started looking up skirts all over again. It was just like you said. I saw a ton of panties, but just last night I was in a bar and noticed a babe about to sit on one of the couches wearing a tight skirt. Before she could position her drink over her legs I saw that she was not wearing panties and got a view of her beaver. I was trying to be nearby when she got up from the couch, but she had her legs crossed and kept them quite guarded. After the 3rd or 4th time I walked by, she gave me a pained look as if she knew that I knew and seemed to wait until I passed by completely before getting up. Then she didn't sit down for the remainder of the time she was there. Obviously, I wasn't going to leave before her! But your advice to keep looking was great."


While you are most welcome for the advice, Armando, I wish you had taken my advice about not letting on so easily. From what you described you are probably correct that she knew you saw all the way up. You should go back to my chapter about maintaining composure when you see something that good. You either had that look in your eye or on your face, or were too obvious when you were walking by and trying to look up her skirt and she caught on. Don't blow it for the rest of us total creep guys! Now she may well be wearing panties when she goes out to a bar, and we can't afford to lose even one of these babes to underwear.

Good move to be ready to look just as she sat down on the couch. Many bar couches (and even comfortable chairs) are set lower, and that is a great opportunity for us when babes are wearing skirts.

(Along those same lines, when babes sit like that and are wearing low rise jeans, maybe you can a view from behind or off to the side and catch some butt crack action. A side or back angle might also reduce your risk of being noticed looking there, especially when compared to the straight on view you had up the skirt.)

Yes, I understand from personal experience that it is difficult to keep a straight face and maintain composure after you see what you saw, or open breasts, etc. That does tend to make your day, especially after hundreds of panties shots until you see the real thing. I wish there was a practice field for this, but there isn't. Don't make it so obvious, Armando. It will lead to more of the same!

Bottoms up in Palm Beach

Steve of SC writes:

"I enjoyed your story about your experience at that bar in Baltimore a few days back. It's always great when something like that happens in a bar or club.

But it is just as much fun if the (babe) is showing herself on purpose. I just got back from spending a few days in Palm Beach Florida. The other night I was in a bar (near the Breakers) after midnight. A cute babe came in by herself and seemed to know several of the people there. She had a couple of drinks and then started dancing, not paying a whole lot of attention to her jeans slipping down over her thong.

After another drink, a couple of the guys cheered for her, and then she got up, stood up on a chair, and pulled her jeans down below her rear end. She then pulled her thong down about half way in the back. Unfortunately, she stopped short of going the entire way down, but it was still a good view for all the guys as it was. Then she turned around and pulled the front of her panties down slightly, but not enough to see any (of the vagina).

Next, she pulled up her thong, pulled up her jeans, and lifted her top. She was wearing a very low cut bra. She pulled the bra out, but since she was on a chair none of us could see nipple. She stopped there, and let her t-shirt fall back over her bra. Then she sat back down.

That was quite a show for a bar. It was not a strip club by any means. After a few more minutes it became evident she wasn't going to do anymore. I went over and asked one of the guys at the bar if they had ever seen anything like that. The guy told me "She's in here all the time and always does that." He told me that he has heard she also does that at another bar nearby.

Why not go to bars and clubs to see naked chicks?"

Cool story, Steve. Sounds like you had a fun time in Palm Beach! And here I thought it was older women that frequented that area.

Anyway, while you and I have both enjoyed incidents with babes in a bar of late, it does not compare to what you can see if you are fortunate enough to be able to spy on babes from home or a safe location with binoculars. Seeing a flashing or an accident in a bar, as we recently have, is limited opportunity. While it is true you might have to wait a couple hours to see a babe at home, you might get a longer look as she comes out of the shower and towels off, changes clothes, or even walks around topless, bottomless, or completely naked.

That doesn't even count the number of times I have seen roommates or babes that have friends or relatives staying with them and you see multiple babes naked over the course of an evening or weekend.

In addition, seeing what we both saw in bars or clubs is a stroke of luck. Still enjoyable, but I'll take spying on countless hundreds of babes over the years any time vs. going to bars or clubs specifically to see nudity. And that includes butt crack from babes seated wearing low rise jeans.

Readers and listeners of "Total Creep - A Guy's Guide" are welcome to e-mail me with questions and experiences at ic.london at live.com.

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Right place, right time

A "Total Creep" delight this past Saturday night, even though I wasn't there. Wish I could have been. One of my reliable creep friends shared this with me. It is a good lesson for us creeps to pay attention when at a bar or club with a stairway.

He was with a couple of guys in a club located in the Orlando FLA area. (I won't give the name, since I wasn't there and since this was definitely not anything the club caused or could have prevented.) This club has a stairway up to the restrooms and coat room, with a larger than usual landing a few feet up. (I may have been there when I last visited Orlando, as I could picture this as Danny was telling me, but that's not important now.) People in the club dancing near this stairway can easily see up a few feet to this landing. Us creeps have been known to hang underneath as if talking and hope for babes wearing skirts to walk up slowly.

But on Saturday night, this one may have been the all-time experience.

Some hottie was with a guy, but wearing a loose skirt above her knees. It seems that after a few dances and drinks, her and the guy seemed to then be having a disagreement on the dance floor. Then the babe got more animated and appeared to be getting more upset.

She left the dance floor and started walking up that stairway, giving my friends a nice view of her panties as she got near the landing. Then the guy followed her up the stairs and caught up to her and they stood on the landing, near the outside rail. They both got rather animated.

Incredibly, something got the babe even more upset. A couple of other guys were watching and casually came over and stood with my friends since they could all see up her skirt quite easily.
After about one minute or so, the babe got a very angry look on her face, lifted up her skirt, and proceeded to pull her panties down. She leaned over lifted one leg, then the other, and pulled her panties off!

She then took her panties and threw them right into the face of the stunned guy, and proceeded to angrily walk back down the stairs, across the dance floor, and toward the entrance/exit to the club. The guys think she left the club.

The guy may have put the panties in his jacket pocket.

But my friends didn't care about the guy or the fight. They were looking up from below when the babe pulled her panties down and then leaned over to get them off over each shoe. They saw all there was to see.

On one hand, this was a lucky and miraculous break for Danny and his buddies. On the other hand, their practicing what I preach made it possible. If they hadn't been standing by those stairs waiting to watch the skirts go up them, they probably wouldn't have been in position to see all they saw. So this is a combination of luck and skill, in my expert opinion.

It is situations like this that made me glad I finally took their advice and wrote the book on how to make this happen for guys of all ages. Great story, guys!